[Skim-app-users] Skim-app-users Digest, Vol 112, Issue 2

[human engr]

Hi Guillaume -- hmm … both down and up arrow work on both PDFs for me. Did you use ‘Zoom to Fit’ on both? (fn down and fn up also work on both; fn left and fn right go to top and bottom)

Skim 1.4.21, OS X 10.12

Hi,
I have managed to identify an pair of pdf documents. Down arrow works with both, but down arrow does not work with one of them. The one for which it does not work is a scan. The other one is a "cleaner" pdf (where I can do some full-text search). It is much smaller.
I suppose attachement do not work with the list, so I am sending it to your gmail address.
None of the solutions you mention work with the scanned document (<cmd><left arrow>, <Go to Page x> (<cmd><opt>G) and <fn><right arrow>).
Best,
Guillaume

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:17:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [Skim-app-users] Up arrow ?
To: For general discussion about using Skim
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Guillaume -- does <cmd><left arrow> work for you?
Tinkering, I find that <Go to Page x> (<cmd><opt>G) -sometimes- kicks <up arrow> into operation, and then for whatever reason it stops working. It?s sometimes necessary to do <Go to> operations.
Similarly, sometimes <fn><right arrow> gets <up arrow> to work a few times.

Hi,
Ah? I am now with 1.4.21 and I still have the issue. I have the
feeling it is not with all pdfs, but I have not found a pattern.
Best regards,
Guillaume

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1. Up arrow ? (Guillaume Daudin)
2. Re: Up arrow ? (Christiaan Hofman)
3. Re: Up arrow ? (Guillaume Daudin)
4. bug report: text notes broken in OSX Sierra (Peter Salazar)
5. Re: bug report: text notes broken in OSX Sierra
(Christiaan Hofman)
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Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:46:29 +0200
Subject: [Skim-app-users] Up arrow ?
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown
Hi,
I am using Skim 1.4.14 with MacOS Sierra and the keyboard up arrow
does
not work : it does not bring me to the preceding page. That result
does
not depend on my keyboard layout. The down arrow works as expected.
Am I missing something obvious ?
Best regards,
Guillaume

<Crafts et Venables Globalization in History - 2003 - annotated .pdf><Crafts et Venables Globalization in History - 2003.pdf>

[Guillaume Daudin]

Hi,

Yes, both have "Zoom to Fit".

I have tried to reboot and open Skim alone and I have the same issue.

Curioser and curioser ?

Guillaume

Post by human engr
Hi Guillaume -- hmm … both down and up arrow work on both PDFs for
me. Did you use ‘Zoom to Fit’ on both? (fn down and fn up also
work on both; fn left and fn right go to top and bottom)
Skim 1.4.21, OS X 10.12

Hi,
I have managed to identify an pair of pdf documents. Down arrow works
with both, but down arrow does not work with one of them. The one for
which it does not work is a scan. The other one is a "cleaner" pdf
(where I can do some full-text search). It is much smaller.
I suppose attachement do not work with the list, so I am sending it
to your gmail address.
None of the solutions you mention work with the scanned document
(<cmd><left arrow>, <Go to Page x> (<cmd><opt>G) and <fn><right
arrow>).
Best,
Guillaume

------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:17:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [Skim-app-users] Up arrow ?
To: For general discussion about using Skim
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Guillaume -- does <cmd><left arrow> work for you?
Tinkering, I find that <Go to Page x> (<cmd><opt>G) -sometimes-
kicks <up arrow> into operation, and then for whatever reason it
stops working. It?s sometimes necessary to do <Go to> operations.
Similarly, sometimes <fn><right arrow> gets <up arrow> to work a few times.

Hi,
Ah? I am now with 1.4.21 and I still have the issue. I have the
feeling it is not with all pdfs, but I have not found a pattern.
Best regards,
Guillaume
On 5 Oct 2016, at 1:31,

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1. Up arrow ? (Guillaume Daudin)
2. Re: Up arrow ? (Christiaan Hofman)
3. Re: Up arrow ? (Guillaume Daudin)
4. bug report: text notes broken in OSX Sierra (Peter Salazar)
5. Re: bug report: text notes broken in OSX Sierra
(Christiaan Hofman)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:46:29 +0200
Subject: [Skim-app-users] Up arrow ?
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown
Hi,
I am using Skim 1.4.14 with MacOS Sierra and the keyboard up arrow
does
not work : it does not bring me to the preceding page. That result
does
not depend on my keyboard layout. The down arrow works as
expected.
Am I missing something obvious ?
Best regards,
Guillaume

<Crafts et Venables Globalization in History - 2003 - annotated
.pdf><Crafts et Venables Globalization in History - 2003.pdf>

[Christiaan Hofman]

"Zoom to Fit” or “Automatically Resize” (these are different things)?

Does this only happen when you Automatically Resize?

I assume this is when you have single page (or two page), not continuous scrolling?

And doesn’t it navigate at all, or only at the first time you press the arrow or Page Up?

It seems like PDFKit automatically resizes the PDF a little too much, so it just doesn’t fit, on Sierra. This would mean that if you use the arrows or page up/down it will first scroll to the top (or bottom) of the page (even if that’s just one pixel) before it navigates to the previous (or next) page (that’s how the arrows and the page up/down actually work, and should work).

Would that be what you see?

If even at the second arrow it does not navigate, then Apple has really screwed things up, it may relayout the document after the scroll to move it back.I would not know how to work around such a bug, because it would be impossible to know whether we should scroll or change page. And Apple refuses to fix the real scrolling/navgiating bug in the first place (it’s been around for a few OS versions now).

Christiaan

Post by Guillaume Daudin
Hi,
Yes, both have "Zoom to Fit".
I have tried to reboot and open Skim alone and I have the same issue.
Curioser and curioser ?
Guillaume

Post by human engr
Hi Guillaume -- hmm … both down and up arrow work on both PDFs for
me. Did you use ‘Zoom to Fit’ on both? (fn down and fn up also
work on both; fn left and fn right go to top and bottom)
Skim 1.4.21, OS X 10.12

Hi,
I have managed to identify an pair of pdf documents. Down arrow works
with both, but down arrow does not work with one of them. The one for
which it does not work is a scan. The other one is a "cleaner" pdf
(where I can do some full-text search). It is much smaller.
I suppose attachement do not work with the list, so I am sending it
to your gmail address.
None of the solutions you mention work with the scanned document
(<cmd><left arrow>, <Go to Page x> (<cmd><opt>G) and <fn><right
arrow>).
Best,
Guillaume

------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:17:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [Skim-app-users] Up arrow ?
To: For general discussion about using Skim
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Guillaume -- does <cmd><left arrow> work for you?
Tinkering, I find that <Go to Page x> (<cmd><opt>G) -sometimes-
kicks <up arrow> into operation, and then for whatever reason it
stops working. It?s sometimes necessary to do <Go to> operations.
Similarly, sometimes <fn><right arrow> gets <up arrow> to work a few times.

Hi,
Ah? I am now with 1.4.21 and I still have the issue. I have the
feeling it is not with all pdfs, but I have not found a pattern.
Best regards,
Guillaume
On 5 Oct 2016, at 1:31,

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1. Up arrow ? (Guillaume Daudin)
2. Re: Up arrow ? (Christiaan Hofman)
3. Re: Up arrow ? (Guillaume Daudin)
4. bug report: text notes broken in OSX Sierra (Peter Salazar)
5. Re: bug report: text notes broken in OSX Sierra
(Christiaan Hofman)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:46:29 +0200
Subject: [Skim-app-users] Up arrow ?
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown
Hi,
I am using Skim 1.4.14 with MacOS Sierra and the keyboard up arrow
does
not work : it does not bring me to the preceding page. That result
does
not depend on my keyboard layout. The down arrow works as
expected.
Am I missing something obvious ?
Best regards,
Guillaume

<Crafts et Venables Globalization in History - 2003 - annotated
.pdf><Crafts et Venables Globalization in History - 2003.pdf>

[Christiaan Hofman]

I’ve put a test version of Skim at <http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/Skim.dmg>. Could someone please test this on Sierra to see if this does not have this problem? And also, see if it does the right thing in the following respect:

In Single Page mode, and zoomed in (so the page is larger than the view), arrow down, page down, and space should:
- first scroll DOWN to the bottom of the page
- when it’s at the bottom of the page, move to the NEXT page

And arrow up, page up, and shift-space should do the opposite (i.e. scroll UP and then move to the PREVIOUS page).

thanks,
Christiaan

"Zoom to Fit” or “Automatically Resize” (these are different things)?
Does this only happen when you Automatically Resize?
I assume this is when you have single page (or two page), not continuous scrolling?
And doesn’t it navigate at all, or only at the first time you press the arrow or Page Up?
It seems like PDFKit automatically resizes the PDF a little too much, so it just doesn’t fit, on Sierra. This would mean that if you use the arrows or page up/down it will first scroll to the top (or bottom) of the page (even if that’s just one pixel) before it navigates to the previous (or next) page (that’s how the arrows and the page up/down actually work, and should work).
Would that be what you see?
If even at the second arrow it does not navigate, then Apple has really screwed things up, it may relayout the document after the scroll to move it back.I would not know how to work around such a bug, because it would be impossible to know whether we should scroll or change page. And Apple refuses to fix the real scrolling/navgiating bug in the first place (it’s been around for a few OS versions now).
Christiaan

Post by Guillaume Daudin
Hi,
Yes, both have "Zoom to Fit".
I have tried to reboot and open Skim alone and I have the same issue.
Curioser and curioser ?
Guillaume

Hi Guillaume -- hmm 
 both down and up arrow work on both PDFs for
me. Did you use ‘Zoom to Fit’ on both? (fn down and fn up also
work on both; fn left and fn right go to top and bottom)
Skim 1.4.21, OS X 10.12

Hi,
I have managed to identify an pair of pdf documents. Down arrow works
with both, but down arrow does not work with one of them. The one for
which it does not work is a scan. The other one is a "cleaner" pdf
(where I can do some full-text search). It is much smaller.
I suppose attachement do not work with the list, so I am sending it
to your gmail address.
None of the solutions you mention work with the scanned document
(<cmd><left arrow>, <Go to Page x> (<cmd><opt>G) and <fn><right
arrow>).
Best,
Guillaume

------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:17:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [Skim-app-users] Up arrow ?
To: For general discussion about using Skim
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Guillaume -- does <cmd><left arrow> work for you?
Tinkering, I find that <Go to Page x> (<cmd><opt>G) -sometimes-
kicks <up arrow> into operation, and then for whatever reason it
stops working. It?s sometimes necessary to do <Go to> operations.
Similarly, sometimes <fn><right arrow> gets <up arrow> to work a few times.

Hi,
Ah? I am now with 1.4.21 and I still have the issue. I have the
feeling it is not with all pdfs, but I have not found a pattern.
Best regards,
Guillaume
On 5 Oct 2016, at 1:31,

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1. Up arrow ? (Guillaume Daudin)
2. Re: Up arrow ? (Christiaan Hofman)
3. Re: Up arrow ? (Guillaume Daudin)
4. bug report: text notes broken in OSX Sierra (Peter Salazar)
5. Re: bug report: text notes broken in OSX Sierra
(Christiaan Hofman)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 22:46:29 +0200
Subject: [Skim-app-users] Up arrow ?
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown
Hi,
I am using Skim 1.4.14 with MacOS Sierra and the keyboard up arrow
does
not work : it does not bring me to the preceding page. That result
does
not depend on my keyboard layout. The down arrow works as expected.
Am I missing something obvious ?
Best regards,
Guillaume

<Crafts et Venables Globalization in History - 2003 - annotated
.pdf><Crafts et Venables Globalization in History - 2003.pdf>